Folks, I’m starting to hear some rather worrisome things about the influenza outbreak, to the effect that the US agencies involved are way behind the ball on handling this, and that a lot of energy is being expended on CYA (ass-covering) memos, which is not a particularly good sign.
We may end up using the internet as a primary source of information, rather than trusting to government actors that may not have straightforward agendas on this matter.
Therefore, I’m going to sticky this to the top of the blog and leave it there until we have a better handle on this thing.
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Let’s hope nothing comes of this. But if something does, we need to do as much as we can to help each other out.
For starters, while there is a mildly panicked overtone to Drudge’s site on this, he is posting a lot of stuff. It’s a good place to start. Also, you can get the official releases from the Centers for Disease Control.
UPDATE: Chef Mojo - April 27 - 0830
Interesting and disturbing look at events in Mexico City from BBC website commenters in Mexico. One example:
I work as a resident doctor in one of the biggest hospitals in Mexico City and sadly, the situation is far from “under control”. As a doctor, I realise that the media does not report the truth. Authorities distributed vaccines among all the medical personnel with no results, because two of my partners who worked in this hospital (interns) were killed by this new virus in less than six days even though they were vaccinated as all of us were. The official number of deaths is 20, nevertheless, the true number of victims are more than 200. I understand that we must avoid to panic, but telling the truth it might be better now to prevent and avoid more deaths.
Yeny Gregorio Dávila, Mexico City
There are a number of other comments from doctors. Common thread; virus is not responding to antivirals and the government is downplaying mortality. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in that respect; medical professionals bypassing the government and media to get their information out via the web.
BBC NEWS | Have Your Say | Swine flu: Your experiences
I’m a specialist doctor in respiratory diseases and intensive care at the Mexican National Institute of Health. There is a severe emergency over the swine flu here. More and more patients are being admitted to the intensive care unit. Despite the heroic efforts of all staff (doctors, nurses, specialists, etc) patients continue to inevitably die. The truth is that anti-viral treatments and vaccines are not expected to have any effect, even at high doses. It is a great fear among the staff. The infection risk is very high among the doctors and health staff.
(via Instapundit)
These reports from medical doctors working in Mexico about the ineffectiveness of antivirals (Tamiflu, Refrenza) and vaccines are quite worrying. Also the reports of staff and medics being infected. This is a classic pandemic formulation: The disease causes the medical treatment system to collapse by acting as a focus for contagion and eliminating the medics who can treat it.
UDPATE: Here’s a link to a Google Mapping of confirmed cases.
UPDATE 4/27/09-11:50 PDT: California school closes in possible swine flu case | U.S. | Reuters
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A California school was shut down on Monday after a student became ill with a possible case of the swine flu that has killed up to 149 people in Mexico, local health officials said.
St. Mel’s Catholic School in the Sacramento suburb of Fair Oaks was closed while samples were sent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Sacramento Public Heath Division spokesman Kerry Shearer told Reuters.
UPDATE: 4/27/09 - 12:00PM PDT: CDC: No vaccine prevents the new swine flu
ATLANTA (AP) - There is no vaccine available to prevent the new swine flu. However, there are antiflu drugs that do work once someone is sick.
The acting head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the government is still deciding whether to order that a swine flu vaccine be produced.
Dr. Richard Besser says it’s not an easy decision, because vaccine manufacture takes a long time and would interrupt ongoing work to create next winter’s regular flu shot.
But if a vaccine eventually is ordered, the CDC already has taken a key preliminary step—creating what’s called seed stock of the virus that manufacturers would use.
So, how long is a long time?
Try six months.
UPDATE 4/27/09 - 1:25PM PDT: Mexico’s Flu Death Toll Rises, While U.S. Confirms 40 Cases - WSJ.com
In Mexico, the outbreak’s center, soldiers handed out six million face masks to help stop the spread of the virus. Nearly 2,000 people in Mexico have been hospitalized with serious cases of pneumonia since the first case of swine flu was reported two weeks ago.
This pneumonia figure is just now being reported.
UPDATE: Chef Mojo - April 28 - 0150 EDT: My source informs me of the following: Flu is the Alpha Strain, which would be the f1n1 and n2 and n3. This can mutate quickly. In the US, 3 “hot spots” have been identified: NY with the school, Ohio in Columbus, OSU, and now in California with the UCLA area. Saying that spring break trips may have brought this back to the US, where it’s been swimming around and mutating. Keep your ears to the ground if you live in college towns and students went to Mexico for spring break.


My pregnant wife is going to ask her OBGYN for a prescription for tamiflu when she sees her on Monday or Tuesday. I’ll let you all know what she says.
I think it’s possible my family (wife and 3 children) and I had this back in January. We live in Fresno, where lots of people (legal and illegal residents alike) go to Mexico for Christmas. It was one of the worst flus I’ve had, with several days of high fever and diarrhea (sorry, TMI). My wife got it even though she always gets a flu shot. We all got through it with bed rest, gatorade, and chicken soup. None of us went to a doctor for it.
It’s certainly possible we had an entirely different disease, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this has been going around under the radar for a while now.
Question for the group -
I try not to be paranoid, but everyone is suggesting preventive measures and a common one is avoiding air travel. Not possible for me. I will be on an airplane 12+ times in May and at least 8-10 in June. And every other month of the year. I have flown a minimum of 100+ times a year every year since 1991. No end in sight.
I have a call in to my Dr. about Tamiflu, and we’ll see what he thinks about that.
My question is- Does anyone know of an online Pharmacy that is credible. That is, one where you can save some money and be relatively confident that you’re getting the drug you think you are buying?
I am not talking about regular US Drug Stores (WalMart, CVS, etc.) I don’t have RX coverage and some of these prescriptions can get a little pricey.
Any info will be greatly appreciated.
DCP.
PS - Just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean that they are not out to get you.
Dunno what you can do about flying, DCP - wear a mask, wash hands often, try not to sit next to somebody sneezing or coughing….
As for Tamiflu, it can get kinda pricey. I paid around $150 for ten 75mg caps four years ago. I just saw it at an online Canadian pharma for $75, with a prescription. (They have a prescription process).
Legit pharms? Well, you can’t ever know for sure, but the Canadian ones are heavily regulated by Canada. You can always run one you find through online review and ratings systems, to see if that helps any.
Drugstore.com is legitimate, according to my insurance company. I don’t know about you saving money, though.
Arcs - Thanks. I’ll check.
Bill - I know. I filled an order twice with a Canadian RX website last year. Both RX seemed to work fine, but the pills looked COMPLETELY different. I also just went to CanadaDrugs.com and they have Tamiflu and the generic. For the Generic - 10 caps, 75 mg, $44.35 (Sold from Barbados, produced in India). For Tamiflu - 10 caps, 75 mg, $70.95 (sold from UK, produced in UK).
Thanks for your comments.
DCP
I was in a training course this morning and did the math so I would sleep. Based on the reported numbers of cases and deaths as of this morning (April 27), the death rate was 6.25%. Since this was exact, I am forced to conclude they were cooking the numbers.
Another datum. In Feb, all six of us had the flu. We were sick with it for almost a week. Four of us had secondary symptoms (bacterial infections). I was a day away from Pneumonia. I still have a cough from a ‘dry patch’ in my throat. One son went through three antibiotics and still tires easily and is fighting something.
None of us were around anyone or anything from Mexico that we know of, but the MD/VA/DC area had a lot of bad flu this winter, so quien sabe?
My wife and I live in a small town just outside Raleigh NC that’s neck-deep in Hispanic immigrants, legal and “otherwise”. For about the last two weeks we’ve both been quite ill with flu-like symptoms–mine nearly turned into pneumonia before I turned the corner. I’m really forced to wonder if we picked up the swine flu from a recent arrival from across the border.
I’m really forced to wonder if we picked up the swine flu from a recent arrival from across the border.
Steve -
I know what you mean. Most of my flights originate or end in NC. Most of them are also code-share flights with Aero Mexico.
Almost all of them have at least one family on board who are heading to/from Mexico.
I’m doomed.
DCP.
Doc refused to give my wife anything, told her it was no big deal…. sigh.
DocOb -
Was me, I’d be looking into getting what’s needed from your regular “family” doc - preferably, one who’s not all about “it’s no big deal” - in the past, I’ve discarded doctors who treated requests like this, based upon self-assessment of risks (a current pregnancy is one of the reasons listed, some places, for getting a flu shot). Your health (and your spouse’s/unborn child’s) is your concern, first and foremost…
If it’s “no big deal”, then why not err on the side of caution?…
The first of how many?
And so it begins.
Update:
And this also.
Update 2:
More…..
Update 3:
The above information being noted, panic is the last thing that we need, some background:
I live about 4 blocks from the Kilmer School in Chicago. I stayed home today to keep my 4 year old out of day care. It is possible that siblings of Kilmer students attend his day care. The Kilmer School is very near a strip of N. Clark Street that is a Latino (primarily Mexican) shopping district. We frequent a Tomale lady’s shop there. Mmmm Tomales! It would not be surprising that people in the area have interacted with recent visitors to Mexico. I am watching the trend. If the outbreak grows significantly, if its 25 Kilmer students tommorrow, I will keep all three of my kids home for the remainder of the week. I am not overly worried but if I am going to be stuck home I would prefer it to be to prevent illness. Wish me luck!
Why am I not surprised?