The secretary’s new budget will leave us weaker to pay for the president’s domestic programs.
I told you guys you weren’t gonna like it.
Well, do you?
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The secretary’s new budget will leave us weaker to pay for the president’s domestic programs.
I told you guys you weren’t gonna like it.
Well, do you?
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This Gates is worse than the other one. He claims the budget is targeted to the type combat we have in the MidEast. So why is he cutting the bomb finding robots and the intelligence Sat?
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The cuts, most of them, are designed to place us in the same position we were in the 1930’s.
In 20 years, what we will have, compared with our enemy, is the equivalent of the Mark 13 torpedo at the beginning of WWII.
So, no, I don’t like them. They will lead to war.
Exactly. And they are based on a complete (and typical) misreading of reality.
It is Transnazi gospel that preparing for war guarantees war, just as owning a firearm guarantees you will shoot yourself.
It is typical fantasy that we will only end up fighting the sort of war we prepare for.
Almost none of our leaders in the past 100 years have sat down and said, “Who are our enemies, how might they attack us, and what is our best response to achieve the end we want to achieve?”, and then structured a military on the answers they come up with.
They prefer instead to believe that our enemies don’t really want to attack us, and therefore they won’t attack us.
Few, if any, of our leaders ever understand that sustaining peace requires preparing for war. The Japanese were negotiating with us right up until the moment they stopped, and the attack on Pearl Harbor began. We wanted to believe the Japanese, so we did. The Japanese had us outnumbered and mismatched from the start. The Japanese knew they could not win a long war but they believed their numerical superiority would achieve victory quickly. Had we been prepared for war, with say 8 carrier groups in the pacific, Pearl would not have been attacked, the Japanese would not have gone to war with us.
The same is true of Germany. Had the west been prepared the war would not have started.
The Kumbaya crowd will get you killed every 25 - 50 years or so.
The cost of sustaining peace is military hardware, men, and training. The cost of ignoring this is much higher.
It’s been observed, a number of times in our past, that it seems inevitable that about every second generation, we find it necessary to pick ourselves up, bruised and bleeding, from having been once more flattened to the deck by a combination of forgetful unpreparedness for armed conflict and the actions of a foreign entity that regards gestures of amicability as signs of weakness and an opportunity to take advantage of same.
There are no forever-and-constant friends among nations - being perceived as lacking in resolve to defend ones nation decreases the likelihood of being considered a friend, and greatly increases the likelihood of being considered a potential target.
The Obamanation & Co., of course, do not understand this, let alone accept or intend to act upon it…
Definitely an ugly three years and eight months to go…
BTW -
Just as it is typical reality that we end up actually fighting a war that we have not prepared for, when we are (inevitably) attacked.
Barry, Japan was negotiating with us right up until Pearl Harbor - literally the day before, and well after they’d made the final decision to go to war.
Their hopes weren’t that they would win by numerical superiority - Yamamoto had a good idea of how well that would work - but that they could deal a swift blow to the US fleet, conquer their objectives, and then leave the US with a fait accompli… “We can have peace as we are, or war over a bunch of things you don’t terribly care about anyway.”
They miscalculated the effect that Pearl Harbor had on the will of the US to go to war, and they also had the impression that no other nation could stand up to the Japanese military spirit, a notion which was then rudely disabused as we proceeded to beat them.
At any rate, it’s easy to say “you’re preparing for the last war! Boogedy boogedy!”, but that’s not actually being helpful, strictly speaking. What is the war that we’re preparing for? What preparations and plans are our (potential) enemies making that could transform the current military paradigm (in which we, well, reign supreme) to a different paradigm where we aren’t prepared?
Most of the threats we have to deal with aren’t operating from a platform of technical sophistication. Cutting the F-22 program isn’t going to materially affect our ability to face Islamic terrorism, or even the militaries of Islamic nations, none of which you need a next-generation fighter to wipe the floor with.
China’s a bit of a different read, but I’m not convinced that “more and bigger of everything” is the proper route to counter them either. I’d be much happier with the development of drone combatants for anti-air use; sure, they might be less proficient individually, but if we can field fifty of them for every F-XX, and it’s just lobbing missiles over the horizon anyway… With that as an alternative, coming up with a new super-fighter is about as useful as designing a new heavy bomber with even more machine guns in 1960.
Does that mean that Obama’s military administration is taking the path of wisdom? Heh, er, no. But not every cut to the military budget is a sign of a death spiral.
Sorry, Avatar, but you make my point for me.
Obama prefers not to wage war on China, Russia, or Iran, and so he is pretending that they have no likewise desire vis us, and hence, we have no need to make military preparations for such eventualities.
Hooey.
All three aspire to at least regional hegemony, and none of them have shown any squeamishness about spending blood or treasure to achieve them, as long as their calculations show such expenditures, on balance, would achieve their goals.
As I have said, we are planning for the wars we want to fight (ie, none) and not for the wars we may be forced to fight.
A quick examination of the last war we fought should help to clarify. We fought a second-world tank power, somewhat equivalent to a small, WWII USSR-style enemy, on ideal territory for tank battles, ie, desert. Yet it still took us months and months to gear up, because you fight tanks with tanks, and the M1A1 is 26 feet long, 11 wide, and weighs 70 tons. You need ships and roads and, most important, time to move those things around. At the moment our alternatives are air power and Airborne boots.
We need a stronger and faster combined arms strategy, one equipped to oppose either tanks or terrorists, depending on what is needed and what can be deployed.
F-22s or something like them are an integral part of any such strategy.
We need tank busters that aren’t an unwieldy as tanks, but are as effective as tanks in opposition to tanks.
We need new training and attack doctrine. We need to remember that the primary purpose of a military is waging war, not peace.
I think most of the COIN doctrine is horseshit. It is not our role to impose democracy on anybody, and it is especially not the miltary’s role to do so. That is the believe of the true neocon, who is a democratic imperialist, an alien concept to American history.
We need the military capability to oppose and, if necessay, defeat the military of our enemies, (in several different scenarios) and we need the balls to name those who are our enemies as such - and that would have to include China, Russia, and Iran, as well as a slew of their lesser allies like NorK, Syria, and the Palestinians.
Some of them are Islamist terrorists (all of whom are surrogates of various Islamist regimes), but not all of the regimes we might need to defeat are terrorists, or second world leftovers.
Right now, we’re not well set up to fight anybody.
I don’t think anyone is saying it is. This plan has cuts everywhere and is a sign of a “death spiral” in the sense it makes war more likely, not less likely.
As far as Japan and the run up to WWII, I believe I said basically the same thing as you. Japan was numerically and qualitatively superior to the US forces in the pacific. Their torpedoes worked, their planes were better, they had more carriers (and destroyers, cruisers, and battleships) and training. In 6 months they devastated the south pacific. What took the western countries 4 centuries to conquer took the Empre of Japan 6 months. Our turning of the tide at Midway, while admirable, was overwhelmingly decided by pure luck, not by skill or hardware. Had our ability to decipher the Japanese communications been less, our remaining fleet might well have been wiped out. With less luck it likely would have been wiped out anyway.
I do not want to leave our fortunes to luck. I would prefer to carry the biggest stick, willing to use it when required, deterring any enemy.
Bill, you do realize that anything that weighed less than an Abrams would be directly trading some sort of combat capability, right? It’s not like the thing is a 50-ton tank with 20 tons of lead strapped to it. You want less armor, you’re directly reducing survivability (and the M1A2 is that in spades.)
However, you don’t actually fight tanks with tanks, right? You fight tanks with helicopters and ground attack aircraft, because they kill tanks easily and the tanks can’t shoot back worth a crap.
You need air superiority to employ helicopters and ground attack aircraft. But gaining air superiority isn’t about sending your interceptors out to fight their interceptors like this was some kind of rehash of the Battle of Britain. You’re using cruise missile assets in the initial wave to disable runways and destroy the enemy’s aircraft on the ground as much as possible, then following that up with direct air attacks on the bases to knock the enemy out of the air war, with specialist aircraft to work over the enemy’s ground-to-air defenses.
None of that requires manned aircraft at all - you’re going up against pre-planned targets you’ve had under satellite observation, or you’re engaging things with powerful radars (and we worked out the trick of identifying radars and using the radar signal as a homing beacon for a nice package of boom long ago.)
You don’t really need manned aircraft until you’ve got air superiority and you’re using ground attack aircraft to work over enemy armor and command structures, and most of that is because it’s a little easier to distinguish “column of soldiers in trucks” from “refugee convoy” if you’re in the airplane… and there’s no guarantee that sate of affairs will persist for long either. In many ways, it’s easier to be the GiB if the “back” is “back in Nevada”.
THAT is the sort of thing people are talking about when they talk about “fighting the last war”. We’ve made technological advances that make conventional fighter defense practically useless - which means we don’t need a conventional fighter OFFENSE to back it up. (And that’s assuming that the fighter-to-fighter role wouldn’t be better served by drones as well. So much of modern air combat is “missiles over the horizon” anyway…) So should we be busting the bank to build a next-gen fighter? No, no more than we should be building a huge Abrams successor to fight enemy Bolo-wannabes.
All that said, that isn’t a defense of Obama’s spending priorities. When I say “maybe we have better ways to spend money than the F-22 program”, I’m not thinking “gee, we could spend that money to improve welfare benefits” or “we need to bail out GM more”. If we’re thinking about moving to a drone- and missile-based offensive stance, there’s where the money should go…
Just FYI -
Gate’s budget also proposes an increase in purchases of the F-35.
What it is: The F-35s are a family of three aircraft, designated the F-35A (for the Air Force), F-35B (for the Marines) and F-35C (for the Navy). Similar in shape and size, and powered by the same basic engine, the F-35s will share between 70 and 90 percent of their parts.
The Plan: Gates recommends that the Defense Department purchase more F-35 Lightning II Warplanes, commonly known as the Joint Strike Fighter.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4312388.html
DCP.
Avatar, DCP, I’m not arguing one system or another. There is always a tradeoff. It is the tone of the cuts. And they are not done, there will be next years budget, and the following years. It is clear what the intention is. To cut, over time, the military budget to euroweenie levels.
The moment our enemies perceive we are weaker than they, they will strike. History proves this to be true. We do not live in some new world where wars are a thing of the past. We do live in a world where wars (real war, not conflict) are inhibited because of our overwhelming strength. When that is gone, the old world will return.