Joe Kaufman, founder of Americans Against Hate and CAIRwatch, has an overview of major Islamist organizations active inside the US.
Mr. Kaufman says these organizations work methodically and politically:
Those adherents of the Muslim Brotherhood that are in America have a religious-based political mission. It is no different than that of Osama bin Laden or his second-in-charge, Brother Ayman al-Zawahiri. Only the tactics have changed. While Al-Qaeda looks to establish Islam in America overnight, those Brothers that live here practice patience.
I’m reminded of the astute observation that there’s no core difference between violent, totalitarian Islamists and peaceful Islamists. The latter are Islamists who lack opportunity and critical mass.
Kaufman has company when it comes to being alarmed about the possibilities. Frontpage columnist Stephen Brown reports this from Canada:
What’s in a number? That is what some Canadians are asking with disbelief after the results of a recent poll asking Muslims about their satisfaction with their lives in Canada.
What astonished people about the poll, broadcast on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation,was not the fact that about 80 percent of the approximately 700,000 Muslims living in America’s northern neighbor are happy with their existences: no surprise there, considering the shape of the countries many of them come from. Rather, it was an almost hidden figure that provided the jolt: 12 percent of Canadian Muslims believe the foiled terrorist attacks a cell of Muslim radicals were plotting for southern Ontario last summer were justified.
Eighteen Muslim men, many of them Canadian citizens, were arrested before they could execute their plan, which included truck bombs exploding on the streets of Toronto and the beheading of Canada’s prime minister after a storming of the Parliament buildings in Ottawa. To say the country was shocked by the details of the plot would be a classic understatement.
…The fact that some 84,000 Muslims living in a western democratic country sympathize with the aims of these 18 would-be jihadists should not come as a surprise.
…Even with the poll’s four per cent margin of error, the resulting 49,000 sympathizer figure is frightening in its own right when one considers the havoc they could wreak if ever properly organized and motivated.
That recalls a UK poll from mid-2005:
A leaked British government intelligence report titled Young Muslims and Extremism finds as many as 16,000 “British Muslims actively engaged in terrorist activity.”
Soon after the Times printed a lengthy article on the intelligence report, a YouGov survey commissioned by the Daily Telegraph and conducted last week yielded a parallel result suggesting that “about 16,000 individuals declare themselves willing, possibly even eager, to embrace violence” in the effort to bring an end to “decadent and immoral” Western society.
Brown also directs our attention to the political threat:
In the end it is these Muslims who represent a greater threat to Western civilization than the jihadists themselves. One of their tactics is to bring about the disappearance of our liberal-democratic order through legal, peaceful means, destroying its foundations bit by bit. And as the left has likewise so gradually, and successfully, transformed society since the 1960s, the march towards a sharia-dominated state will also not be an overnight revolution. But in forty years many may be forced to admit that a revolution it has been.
As mentioned in DP post The Destruction Of Europe, Bruce Bawer wrote a book titled While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West From Within. That could easily apply to the US too; all the more reason for conservatives to redouble their efforts to take back the Republican Party from the appeasement clique that now grips the levers of power on the Right.
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> [Peaceful Islamists] are Islamists who lack opportunity and critical mass.
I think that there are two other groups that collectively are much larger in the US and Canada. The third group is the “clean” Islamists; they support the violent ones as much as they can without getting dirty themselves. The fourth group, the “don’t rock the boat” Islamists, also support the violent ones, but aren’t as active. There are probably some “useful dupes” as well.
Note that all of these groups share the same goal; they just differ about who should do the work. I suspect that the last group at the very least might be a bit unhappy if their more active friends succeed, but the radicals always purge the squishy after a revolution. (And that’s arguably a good thing which I hope that Quick will speak to.)
Have assumed room temperature?
At least some people have seen through Joe Kaufman’s politics of paranoia and war profiteering. Check it out at Hatewatch Hall of Shame
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Well, Rev, what a nice little ball of Orwellian doublespeak you are. Folks who protest against radical Islam’s jihad against liberalism, women’s rights, democracy, liberty, gays, unbelievers, and modernity itself - everything morons like you claim to hold dear - are “haters.”
I despise useful idiots like you. And you are so stupid you don’t even understand that if these Islamist barbarian savages achieve the victory they so murderously desire, it is fools like you they will slaughter first.
You’re the sort of dumbass I would have liked to have shipped over to Afghanistan just before the Taliban first took over. I would have enjoyed the look on your face as they made you scream your life out for their amusement.
After spending 26 years in counterterrorism, in ops against every kind of terrorist (I estimate that’s about 26 years more than Bill Quick spent), I know how to recognize who is the enemy and who is not. Kaufman’s tactic of smearing all Muslims as terrorists is not only ridiculous, it is targeted to play best with the uneducated, the fearful, the paranoid, those who check under their bed at night to make sure the bogey man isn’t hiding there. Those who are smarter can easily recognize how Kaufman and his ilk play on your fears in order to make a fortune themselves. They don’t give a care about you, they only care about their own pockets. That’s just one reason why Kaufman is the subject of multiple law enforcement investigations. (BTW, I’ve been to Afghanistan under the Taliban, it’s a shitty little country, probably always will be, but at least they are making some slow progress.)
But certainly go ahead, keep backing Kaufman and his Islamophobia. He loves you for making him richer, and Osama loves you for proving his propoganda right and sending him more recruits. Good way to show patriotism and assist in the war on terror. (for anyone who is too “slow” to recognize sarcasm, that was it.)
Under the taliban no one makes progress. Stoning to death for dating non-Muslim, girls treated like slaves(or worse). No people who wish to return the world to the century before Islam was founded do not allow progress.
I think you’re most likely a liar. Worse, a stupidly obvious liar.
If you actually did perform some sort of counter function, who were you working for? The Saudi Royal family? Some other pack of anti-semite enemies of America?
Of even more potential interest: which nest of enemies and/or traitors is paying you to run false-flag ops against Jews and America today, in the blogosphere?
Can you provide some details? Nothing classified, but enough for someone who’s worked in counterterr or a related field (eg, my glorious self) to determine whether or not you’re bullshitting.
Not to impugn your statement (not yet, anyway), but people of a certain political orientation have a marked tendency to, shall we say, claim credentials and experience they don’t have a right to.
I sha’n't address, at this point, the “Rev.” in your handle. As a credential, that’s not worth anything, so it’s not worth the effort to verify or debunk.
Ah, Mr. Quick, resorting to flames, always the last refuge for someone who is unable to use facts and logic. Thank you for proving your arguments are based on…nothing!
To genes, in case you haven’t noticed, the Taliban no longer runs Afghanisan, and it is the new, democratically elected government that is making progress. May I suggest Hooked on Phonics?
To Steve, O4, 1635/3Q1/N769 NAVCENT AOR
Careful folks. Rev. Jim is talking the talk. I would give him the benefit of the doubt where his qualifications are concerned. That seemingly meaningless string of gobbledegook he addressed to SteveF has a very definite meaning.
I’m a little rusty, but I’ll take a shot. Rev. Jim is saying he’s a Lieutenant Commander, USNR; a Naval Intelligence officer with a Naval Special Warfare support qualification while in the Naval Central Command area of operations. That AOR includes Afghanistan.
Answer my question, dumbass: Who are you running false flag operations for these days? My hunch is it is some brand of Arabian operation. They seem to be hiring and paying everybody pushing the antisemite, anti-Israel libels of late.
By the way - I don’t “argue” with Jew-hating nutbags, so there are no “arguments” to expose. The only exposure is what you do to yourself, when you spout your antisemitic propaganda. BTW, where do you stand on the Holocaust: Happened, or didn’t happen?
So what? He’s also talking the antisemite party line. Half the militia nutbags in the United States have military experience. And the Saudis and other interested parties love to hire these crapheads and set them to work spreading poison, while they cite their military “experience” as justification for their despicable bullshit.
I repeat: who is the “Rev” working for these days? It sure as hell isn’t the US military.
Right, “Reverend?”
I’m just addressing the the issue of his claimed qualifications in counter-terrorism, and in no way trying to validate what he’s saying, either here or on his extremely warped little website.
Jim Sutter, I wonder why a “counter terror” expert is involved in defending poor Islam against Americans whose fear is understandable. Your stance is strange to me. Pick your enemy, Bill and his ilk, or Islamicists.
It is awfully strange to me that you, so concerned about terrorism as you must be, spend time fighting the reaction to terrorism.
Bill’s not the enemy, unless you are the enemy and are using standard lefty political correctness to advance your inimical cause.
As a defender of our civilization, you come across as a phony. I wonder why, instead of concerning yourself with the fact that Islam has managed to generate some hatred against itself, you aren’t spending your spare time with concerns about Islam’s responsibility for what it generates.
Whether Islam is 99% peaceful, or 99% lovers of anti Western terror, the bad guys aren’t non Muslims who have come to fear or even hate Islam.
You are the nut, taking your stance as a counter terror expert and then facing and fighting non Moslems.
I remember one American soldier in Iraq who rolled grenades into the tent of his superior officers.
Your ‘credentials’, true or not, make you no reliable defender against terrorism. What speaks to what you fight for is the fights you choose. You are fighting the wrong people here to be someone whose concern is Islamic terrorism.
My concern is terrorism, hate mongering, bigotry and war profiteering of all stripes, no matter what ideology it springs from. Only a fool would think that extremist Islam is the only threat to the US. Our government, law enforcement and military leaders are quite well informed and active against all of the threats facing the US, foreign and domestic. While militant Islam is our greatest foreign threat (followed closely by militant Marxism), there are a plethora of domestic terrorist groups with ideologies ranging from extremist Christian to extremist Jewish to eco and anima-terrorists, to domestic Marxist, anti-tax, plain old racist, and anti-government terrorists.
According to James F. Jarboe, Domestic Terrorism Section Chief, FBI, in his testimony to Congress, the ALF/ELF (Animal Liberation Front/Earth Liberation Front) have committed 600 acts of domestic terrorism between 2001 and 2005 (the latest year for which statistics are currently available) primarily using arson and bombing, and causing 43 million dollars in damages, plus deaths and injuries. In addition to this, non-Muslim domestic terrorists other than ALF/ELF have carried out 546 terrorist incidents, with 4,170 injuries and 3,228 fatalities (this does not include the 9/11 attacks) in the past ten years.
According to the same source, figures of all non-muslim domestic terrorist groups show there have been 6,400 arrests, 4,846 prosecutions, 879 convictions, 2,845 cases still pending, approximately 1,100 cases eventually dropped, turned, or found not guilty. Same time frame. There are currently over 10,000 ongoing investigations into non-Muslim domestic terrorists and terrorist groups.
Someone’s religion, political affiliation, philosophy, or motivation makes absolutely no difference to me. A terrorist is a terrorist, they are just as dangerous no matter who they are, and they all need to be dealt with either in a 6×9 cell or a 9×19.
BTW, politically I am a moderate Republican. So those who label me a Liberal only prove that they don’t take time to check facts before jumping to conclusions. In the military, that usually causes either a FUBAR situation or death.
Quite a vigilante aren’t you, Jim Sutter? Calling the reaction to terrorism inspired by Islam ‘bigotry’ and ‘hate’, and claiming that this reaction is ‘your concern’ as a ‘counter terrorism’ agent makes it clear that you are a dangerous threat to freedom yourself.
Put yourself on your list, hypocrite.
Ah, Tom, thank you for proving me right. I have always said that reactions to my website will allow bigots to expose themselves, and you have certainly proven me right. Have you even read the Qur’an? Not just selected, out of context, often fabricated quotes, but the entire Qur’an, in its original Arabic? I’d be willing to bet you have no idea what it says. I’d also be willing to bet that you easily fall for the lie that all of Islam is bad, that the religion inspires the terrorists. Back in the real world, Islam no more inspires Islamist terrorists than Christianity inspired Timothy McVeigh. You need to study the psychology of terrorism.
Since you are so supportive of the scams being pulled by Kaufman et al, would you be interested in a bridge I have available? Or some nice swampland? You seem the perfect sucker, willing to buy into scams. Will you continue to send Kaufman money when his address changes to a Bureau of Prisons P.O. Box?
BTW, I am retired from actively being officially involved in counterterrorism. I no longer do that fulltime. My position as a pastor makes my primary concern the basic humanity of people. Might I suggest you read up on that, too? Or ask a grade school child to explain it to you, perhaps you’d better understand at that level. Either that, or wear some asbestos underwear when you stand before God in judgement.
Interesting. I am not allowed to form conclusions about the influence of Islam on terrorism unless I am a fluent, Arab speaking scholar of the Koran. Meanwhile, as a supposed Christian, in violation of Christ’s command that you are not to judge me - that it is not your business, and knowing far less about me than I do about the Koran or Islam, you threaten me with hellfire.
Hypocrite, know yourself.
Stick around and I will use your words to demonstrate just what kind of a person you really are.
I know nothing of the Kaufman you ignorantly accuse me of following. That you want him in jail, and that you have identified me with him makes it clear that you are my enemy.
What you want is a world where people cower in fear from the likes of you, and only observe about the world that which you would allow.
You sound more like a postmodern communist or a follower of Edward Said, or a shill for CAIR, than a Christian.
Will you continue to send Kaufman money when his address changes to a Bureau of Prisons P.O. Box?
Are you going to continue murdering prostitutes in Detroit?
Maybe you ask the “rev” about his very real prison record and how much he paid for his “ministerial” license.
Or we could, you know, continue to not care about him.
The Rev Jim Sutter claims 26 years counterterrorism. But in his website he says he’s 51, and entered a seminary in 1989 making him then 33. So was he really 7 years old when he started in counterterrorism?
Jim Sutter is a habitual liar. How can he have spent “26 years in counterterrorism” He claims to be 51 years old. Assuming he joined the Navy at 17 that means how would have retired at the age of 43. Yet in 1995 he made this claim
” I have many medical problems, including cancer, asthma, sleep apnea, chronic hypoxemia, congestive heart failure, coronary artery disease, SCI, and various neuromuscular disabilities. My latest prognosis is that I only have a few months, at best, to live. That’s it, the Readers’ Digest version. Rev Jim http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.ada-law/msg/83145ec2b8bc93d0?hl=en&
So was he in the Navy then? He has also made claims of being awarded the Navy Cross yet there is no mention of a James M Sutter ever receiving the Navy Cross.
Nothing this man says about himself is true